Financial Status of the A-LEAGUE

[paoktzi]

1) North Queensland Furry lost an estimated $2.5million in their first season.... Original owners two very respected NQ businessmen pulled the plug as soon as they got the opportunity,the FFA took over and will hold onto the franchise until the Australia's WC bid is decided late 2010.After that they will try and find some rich mug to take the Furry on,if not gonski....
2) Brisbane Roar lost an estimated $3million in 2009/10 adding to similar losses in previous seasons... They did manage to claw back around $1.2million by selling three of their future stars,however if the dwindling crowds of last season dont see a signficant improvement then you have to fear for their future,especially with rumours that Emmanual Drivas will have to pull the plug due to other personal financial commitments...
3) Gold Coast United lost $6illion in their first season... The biggest worry for Gold Coast United small band of die hards is how long will owner Clive Palmer suffer the indignity of losing $6milion per season?A financial basketcase of a football club if ever there was one,my guss is fatty will cut his losses at he end of the coming season.
4) Newcastle Jets lost an estimated $4million last season added to other substantial losses in previous A League campagnes The bggest worry for the Jets small band of die hards is how long will owner Con Constantine suffer the indignity of losing $4milion per season?A financial basketcase of a football club if ever there was one,my guess is Con will cut his losses at the end of the coming season,especially f the "double efff ayyy" continue to piss him off.
5) HAKOA lost $6million last season despite winning the A League...... Once again its a bums on seats issue for the once glamour club of the A League,The Russian business man who bought the ailing franchise is rather pissed off at former owner Frank Lowy for selling him a dud and may consider quitting if the big black financial hole at the SFC isnt filled in the next season or so...
6) Adelaide United in the hands of the FFA.... Desperate to sell it yet after 18 months the FFA still cannot find anyone mug enough to take it on

[mikey]

All a load of BS, PAOKTZI. Nice to see you just stole that TWGF. As much as I am disappointed with what the FFA have done to old NSL clubs, and the recognition it deserves where we should belong being in a FFA Cup, the Gay Leaguehas done wonders to football in Australia and you should accept that. Football in Australia is finally being put on the World map, and that is evident with clubs like Everton, Fulham, AEK Athens, Rangers, Blackburn, Juventus, Boca Juniors and Celtic coming out to Australia to play club sides.

NSL needed a major clean-out and in came the A-League. Really was a breath of fresh air. But in saying that, FFA can't look past the past, and should look at introducing an FFA Cup.

BTW, I am a Sydney Olympic and HAKOA fan. No problems in being both.

[mini]

if you're a Sydney olympic fan, then you know the big Clubs that have come out here to play NSL sides, so I'm not impressed that all these Clubs came to have a good sight seeing tour of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.

[paoktzi]

Aug 14, 2010 10:04:15 GMT 10 mikey said:

All a load of BS, PAOKTZI. Nice to see you just stole that TWGF. As much as I am disappointed with what the FFA have done to old NSL clubs, and the recognition it deserves where we should belong being in a FFA Cup, the Gay Leaguehas done wonders to football in Australia and you should accept that. Football in Australia is finally being put on the World map, and that is evident with clubs like Everton, Fulham, AEK Athens, Rangers, Blackburn, Juventus, Boca Juniors and Celtic coming out to Australia to play club sides.

NSL needed a major clean-out and in came the A-League. Really was a breath of fresh air. But in saying that, FFA can't look past the past, and should look at introducing an FFA Cup.

BTW, I am a Sydney Olympic and HAKOA fan. No problems in being both.

It was taken from the TWGF mate im not denying that.

Now how can you be both? Have you thought about this? do you know who you are?

The Gay Leagueis not the problem the fact that the FFA has not let any other clubs in that they cannot control is the problem, can you please give me 4 valid reasons why SOFC should not be in the a-league.

Love your anger mikey wish it was educated though

[paoktzi]

If the NSL needed a clean up what did it have to do with the clubs?

The only club to succeed in the Gay Leagueis Melbourne Victory, you must be reading to much BS on FFT mikey.

Anyway how is the above financials a bunch of BS? This is the current state of the clubs in the A-LEAGUE. and what will an FA Cup competition do for anyone anyway?

[mikey]

Damn... I just posted a fairly being post, but I lost it all, because I needed to log in again.

[paoktzi]

eagerly awaiting this reply mikey

[mikey]

Now how can you be both? Have you thought about this? do you know who you are?

hmm.. How can I have both? Well after I found out about the birth of the A-League, and that Sydney would be represented in the national competition, I thought it would be suitable for me to go for the local team. And considering I come from Sydney....

The Gay Leagueis not the problem the fact that the FFA has not let any other clubs in that they cannot control is the problem, can you please give me 4 valid reasons why SOFC should not be in the a-league.

1. Sydney Olympic already has the tag as an "ethnic club". It already has its established supporters. But most of them are of Greek descent. Why would anyone go for the club if there is a non-ethnic club in HAKOA and Sydney Rovers right at their doorstep, where the fans are not based around what race you are, rather what area you come from.

2. Why would the FFA allow Olympic in? This would therefore encourage other clubs of ethnic origin to bid for the A-League, only to be rejected straight up. The FFA was introduced to freshen up football in Australia, and this involved creating a new league for the people to come under one umbrella, whether you come from Australia, Greece, Italy, Croatia or China. Not to separate clubs by race, rather than region.

3. At the expense of who? After Sydney Rovers, Canberra, Tasmania and South Coast come in, that is 15 teams. It would not be viable to introduce furthermore teams. Football in Australia does not have the the fan base like countries in Europe do. Let alone the talent pool.

4. The Gay Leaguehas been put on not only the Asian football map, but also the World footballing map. We have clubs like Everton, Fulham, Celtic, Rangers, Blackburn, Juventus, Boca and AEK Athens all coming out. This goes to show how far football has come in Australia. The FFA are content with how the league is going, with brand new models, football in Australia needed this.

If the NSL needed a clean up what did it have to do with the clubs?

You are kidding aren't you? The clubs in the NSL were a failure because of the poor administration, poor crowds, average quality football, no real big name foreigners- other than 3 or 4.


The FFA needed to give football in Australia a better name, and with that came a new league that was for the local city, not the local race. You said yourself in 442 or something, that Sydney Olympic prioritise in reaching out to Greek fans, but the general public was a second priority. Well, that was the problem with the NSL. Instead of reaching out into the community of the local team, they reached out into the Local ethnicity of the local team in the community.

Anyway how is the above financials a bunch of BS? This is the current state of the clubs in the A-LEAGUE.

Well, can you give me a source?

and what will an FA Cup competition do for anyone anyway?

It will give former NSL clubs the exposure to play against the best of Australia and test themselves. It will give the FANS a chance to see its club test themselves and see how they add up against the top tier clubs. And if enough support is shown and these clubs do their homework, and replicate some of the models Gay Leagueclubs show in community outreach, a possible non-promotion, conference A2-League may come into play. eg. NSW/VIC/QLD and SA/WA.

[anothermp]

me too im all eyes atm id like to see what ppl think

[paoktzi]

tomorrow mikey you will get ripped, you are a disagrece to the last name you carry boy.

till tomorrow

[mikey]

Aug 14, 2010 17:25:41 GMT 10 paoktzi said:

tomorrow mikey you will get ripped, you are a disagrece to the last name you carry boy.

till tomorrow

How? Because i support the Gay Leagueas well as Sydney Olympic.

And I don't really understand what you mean by the former?

Listen, my post may sound as though I am totally against all former NSL clubs but I am not.

They are what has made football in Australia, football in Australia. The same as all the Ethnic clubs. They have done wonderful things for football in Australia, but the Gay Leagueis the start of a long growth in Australian football, and in this growth former NSL clubs and ethnic clubs will play a significant role in success for the system in this country.

[denpaokala]

Ok Guys after mikeys un-australian comments I want everyone to see what the Gay Leaguecrowds of round two look like

WEL v CGU - 8300 - after new zealand going nuts in world cup
NEW v HEART - 8700
FURY v JEWS - 5177

They all need minimun 10,000 remember!!! big fail

The only club that is doing ok is Victory as we have all said and from 25,000 crowds there latest home game versus the glory only got

17,000

So the Gay Leagueis in dire straights!

[anothermp]

we can support football generally but deep down there has to be one club in our hearts..

i support half the teams in europe because they play sexy but no matter what Olympic is in my heart and Olympic is the team of my life

nothing can change that nobody will take that away and united we stand

i mean really who sleeps in two beds who lives a double life? you either sleep around and come back home or you sleep around and dont have a home

or you can love our Olympic one and only

[mini]

These are all good discussions, Paoktzi, ease up on Mikey, this is a debate, do not let the passions get the better of you and a great and complex debate. Less personal attacks, more information and opinion based posts.

I will comment on this matter tonight Mikey, so just hang in there to see what I think.

[paoktzi]

Aug 14, 2010 17:18:09 GMT 10 mikey said:

Now how can you be both? Have you thought about this? do you know who you are?

hmm.. How can I have both? Well after I found out about the birth of the A-League, and that Sydney would be represented in the national competition, I thought it would be suitable for me to go for the local team. And considering I come from Sydney....




1. Sydney Olympic already has the tag as an "ethnic club". It already has its established supporters. But most of them are of Greek descent. Why would anyone go for the club if there is a non-ethnic club in HAKOA and Sydney Rovers right at their doorstep, where the fans are not based around what race you are, rather what area you come from.

2. Why would the FFA allow Olympic in? This would therefore encourage other clubs of ethnic origin to bid for the A-League, only to be rejected straight up. The FFA was introduced to freshen up football in Australia, and this involved creating a new league for the people to come under one umbrella, whether you come from Australia, Greece, Italy, Croatia or China. Not to separate clubs by race, rather than region.

3. At the expense of who? After Sydney Rovers, Canberra, Tasmania and South Coast come in, that is 15 teams. It would not be viable to introduce furthermore teams. Football in Australia does not have the the fan base like countries in Europe do. Let alone the talent pool.

4. The Gay Leaguehas been put on not only the Asian football map, but also the World footballing map. We have clubs like Everton, Fulham, Celtic, Rangers, Blackburn, Juventus, Boca and AEK Athens all coming out. This goes to show how far football has come in Australia. The FFA are content with how the league is going, with brand new models, football in Australia needed this.



You are kidding aren't you? The clubs in the NSL were a failure because of the poor administration, poor crowds, average quality football, no real big name foreigners- other than 3 or 4.


The FFA needed to give football in Australia a better name, and with that came a new league that was for the local city, not the local race. You said yourself in 442 or something, that Sydney Olympic prioritise in reaching out to Greek fans, but the general public was a second priority. Well, that was the problem with the NSL. Instead of reaching out into the community of the local team, they reached out into the Local ethnicity of the local team in the community.



Well, can you give me a source?

and what will an FA Cup competition do for anyone anyway?

It will give former NSL clubs the exposure to play against the best of Australia and test themselves. It will give the FANS a chance to see its club test themselves and see how they add up against the top tier clubs. And if enough support is shown and these clubs do their homework, and replicate some of the models Gay Leagueclubs show in community outreach, a possible non-promotion, conference A2-League may come into play. eg. NSW/VIC/QLD and SA/WA.

No one can ever support two clubs it is like having two religions? i have never met anyone who is Buddhist and because in the country he lives Buddhists are the minority so he says ok I'm muslim to, You cannot say ok I live in Germany 90% of the people are christian and only 2% are muslim, ill say im christian to and go to a christian church as well. that cannot be done


You cannot ban any club from entering any competition because it might have an ethnic alliance this is racist and the FFA would be going through the courts about this, what they have done is not given the ex-NSL clubs equally opportunity to join as some of these other franchise who have been given to people on silver plates and then these people walk away.

The Gay Leaguehas done nothing to put australian football on the map, the socceroos have done that in asia and everhwere else, please understand that now the NSL players are fading out the Soceroos are losing quality players

Sydney Olympic should be let in over Tasmania and Canberra and the Rovers, all these three clubs have less supportters, what some of these areas have in population SOFC has in a supportters base son, not only that they are not existing clubs, they do not have infrastructure and they do not have an finances at all. again I cannot for the life of me see the logic in this.

Sydney Olympic never went into adminsitration like half of this Gay Leagueclubs in over 30 years in the NSL, Sydney Olympic brought big players over to the NSL and with no to little media attracted big crowds mate.

Whoever was in charge of Soccer Australia and got tv deals that shelved football what did that have to do with succesfull clubs like SOFC, SMFC and marcaronia

Ill give you proof, go find ownership details on HAKOA aka Sydney City hakoa anywhere on asic, any company structure you cannot find a thing? The whole thing is dodge

Frank LOWIE does get paid form the FFA, he has not put in one cent over the last 5 years, HE GETS PAID O POUSTIS, he also get free WESTFIELD ADDs at Soceroo matches.

What has keeped evertyhing alive is the soceroo success in two world cup qualifications and the fox sports deal. That is all

This FA Cup style malakia is a way to shut us up, give them 1 game a year in the spotlight and they shut up, we dont want this we are a massive club put us in the a-league.

But i do love it mikey, love this convos hurts me though , that after all olympic and hakoa have been through you tell me you are both.

It like a greek person, when turkey invaded Greece and after a few year he tells people im am both, you can never be both, YOU ARE WHO YOU ARE BE PROUD OF THAT, and if we all stick together boycott them as they have boycotted us we can rise to the top again as GREECE DID!

I hope you people who read this that were not believers unlike the ULTRA BOYS WHO ARE REAL MEN WITH REAL PASSION,start believing it and start preaching so we can bring back our people and send a message to all.

SYDNEY OLYMPIC IS BACK YAMOTO.

and finally mikey, love the discussion and bring it on, but sorry mate when you said you were both and when you said the NSL clubs were violenmt you hurt me mate.

Because they way that places like FFT have beeing going on that the NSL was so violent what you are saying that me and my family who attended NSL matches are all criminals and I find that very offensive, and inturn you are calling your family that to can you see that?