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Post by mini on Aug 20, 2010 9:06:32 GMT 10
Last night, I was over hearing a conversation between the Belmore Hercules President, Secretary and my father. What I learnt is that Belmore Hercules are trying very hard to have a partnership with Belmore going.
Jim Kospetas a few years back shafted Belmore Hercules pretty badly, but they are still trying there best for both Clubs.
1. Basically, Belmore Hercules Association sides in Canterbury Districts, wants to change there name to Olympic Youth, but the State League Sides will remain as Belmore Hercules.
2. After this, they want Olympic Youth to be the official feeder Club to Sydney Olympic. So Olympic Youth will produce players from 6 years old to 12 year old, then hopefully they have been developed enough to continue at Sydney Olympic u13's.
3. They want Olympic Legend's like Peter Katholos and etc etc to be coaches of the teams that are in the u6-u12 range.
4. If Sydney Olympic have a player that has potential to play First Grade, but is still a bit to young, but to old for the Reserve Grade, Sydney Olympic can loan him out to the Belmore Hercules First Grade side to develop for a season before returning to Sydney Olympic older, wiser and a better player.
I do not see a fault in this partnership. Both Clubs benefit greatly from this.
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Post by paoktzi on Aug 20, 2010 9:36:57 GMT 10
MAZI MAZI stin A-ETHNIKI
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Post by thrillos on Aug 20, 2010 11:11:30 GMT 10
Kospetas din't really shaft Hercules. Belmore came to Olympic and wanted to give them their youth ticket and Olympic said we don't need it as we will be playing our youth in the eastern suburbs. Belmore's youth ticket then went to Stanmore and thats how Stanmore got their youth back. They had a joint agreement and then Stanmore shafted Belmore by stopping them being part of the joint committee and Stanmore took complete control.
Since then Kospetas formed an affiliation with Belmore like what is set up in the Eastern Suburbs with Olympic Eagles. His vision was to have at least one Greek club as an affiliate in each region e.g. Belmore in Canterbury, Eagles in the Eastern Suburbs, Minotaurs in St George, Gladesville, Liverpool, etc
The only issue was that not enough was being done for these affiliations to grow strong as there was no one who could really drive it e.g. sending Olympic 1st grade players down to the smaller club's kids training sessions.
Belmore came to Olympic again at the end of last year to strengthen the relationship and Olympic this time said no and they want to get in bed with the association and not with one little club. They quickly realised that the Canterbury association hates Olympic and didn't want anything to do with them so that's why they now went back to Belmore and said lets do something.
The move is positive for both clubs and should be fostered. There should be more of it happening as well just like with Kospetas' vision.
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Post by paoktzi on Aug 20, 2010 12:26:33 GMT 10
Imagine
Olympic Eagles
Olympic Minotaurs
Olympic Hercules
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Post by mini on Aug 20, 2010 19:24:26 GMT 10
Not Olympic Hercules, Olympic Youth  That's even better! |
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Post by Blaze on Aug 21, 2010 1:03:46 GMT 10
I like the concept of a branch in every district promoting Greek talent. That's a great idea but I don't know if it could ever work with the Greek mentality as it stands.
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Post by mr_football on Aug 24, 2010 13:20:23 GMT 10
I like the concept of a branch in every district promoting Greek talent. That's a great idea but I don't know if it could ever work with the Greek mentality as it stands. Blaze this is 150% true I couldnt agree more |
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Post by mrinde on Aug 24, 2010 16:16:13 GMT 10
This idea has merit, I like the broad base of what is trying to be achieved.
The devil is always in the details.
Let's hear more.
Mr Inde
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Post by thrillos on Aug 24, 2010 19:18:47 GMT 10
Whatever agreement is drawn up, it needs to be WIN-WIN.
Even if it is a loose agreement with clubs to create more of a formalised affiliation then it can only benefit both parties.
Some examples of the benfits:
E.g1. if Sydney Olympic holds a dance, then it can automatically get one table from each of the affiliated clubs. ALso, Sydney Olympic will in turn send one table to each dinner/dance of the affiliated club. This help fill dinner/dances and does wonders for public relations.
e.g2 Each affiliated club have 4 Sydney Olympic players as ambasssadors. These players can in turn go down to one training session per week. They can take turns so an individual player does not need to go down every week. This again strengthens bonds between the players of the affiliated club and Sydney Olympic. Some will then become supporters and want to come to games and watch their Olympic ambassador. This will help boost attendances at school holiday camps.
e.g3 Look at ways of loaning players (both ways) if possible under FNSW rules and regulations. Also, use the affiliated clubs as a breeding ground for future talent. Many past Olympic players originally came from the lower leagues: Scott Baillie, Norman Tome, Shannon Cole, Matthew Mayora, etc
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Post by mrinde on Aug 24, 2010 22:13:55 GMT 10
Whatever agreement is drawn up, it needs to be WIN-WIN. Agreed Even if it is a loose agreement with clubs to create more of a formalised affiliation then it can only benefit both parties. Disagree - Loose agreements only gives scope for abuse. Must be tight and clear with each party fully understanding whatever the commitment is. E.g1. if Sydney Olympic holds a dance, then it can automatically get one table from each of the affiliated clubs. ALso, Sydney Olympic will in turn send one table to each dinner/dance of the affiliated club. This help fill dinner/dances and does wonders for public relations. This is small time thinking. If you want to go down the path of a "dance" try committing all club sponsors (across all clubs) to a table, employ a professional and qualified sponsorship negotiator (paid for by all clubs) who earns bonuses on a performance basis. Organise 3 events a year and let the ego of the sponsors go head to head bidding for exclusive and desirable memorabilia across all sports. Now we are starting to generate some serious bucks. e.g2 Each affiliated club have 4 Sydney Olympic players as ambasssadors. These players can in turn go down to one training session per week. They can take turns so an individual player does not need to go down every week. This again strengthens bonds between the players of the affiliated club and Sydney Olympic. Some will then become supporters and want to come to games and watch their Olympic ambassador. This will help boost attendances at school holiday camps. Good idea, needs minor tweeking, if you were a coach would u want a player every week at one of your sessions? Maybe better to have all four players, once per month to help drive drills. This way a coach could organise a specific session with the attending players and get some real value out of it. e.g3 Look at ways of loaning players (both ways) if possible under FNSW rules and regulations. Agreed use the affiliated clubs as a breeding ground for future talent. This is the value propostion for lower league clubs to entice new players to their clubs, the established path to progress from U6's all the way to Gay Leaguewithout having to move out of area or to another organisation/ structure. My thoughts Mr Inde |
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Post by mini on Aug 24, 2010 23:13:46 GMT 10
Both sets of ideas are great Mr Inde and Thryllos. I am really impressed. These ideas should be emailed to the Club!
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Post by paoktzi on Aug 25, 2010 8:37:37 GMT 10
constructive discussion is back on the olympic forum, people are watching good work guys, now lets get more older heads on here to together with the new ones who are still coming slowly
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Post by thrillos on Aug 28, 2010 9:10:01 GMT 10
These points were discussed with the club. That is when the club laughed at them and threw them in the bin and decided to go to the association instead.
Forming an affiliation with the association is a great idea (just like Manly, Sutherland, etc) but the problem in our situation is:
1. Canterbury asscoaition already has a closer relationship with APIA as they remained in the Canterbury Association all along while Olympic went from St George, Canterbury, Sutherland, Eastern Suburbs and now wants back in to Canterbury.
2. Tony Raciti (President APIA) and Frank Parisi (President Canterbury Association) know each other quite well.
3. We must learn how to walk before we can run. In saying that we must learn how to crawl before we can walk.
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Post by mrinde on Aug 28, 2010 14:18:46 GMT 10
You don't need an association with the association, you need a relationship with the clubs within an association.
What does Tony Raciti and Frank Parisi give the clubs of the Canterbury association? We secure loyalty by beneficial relationship not by political agenda.
Mr Inde
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Post by thrillos on Aug 29, 2010 12:56:11 GMT 10
FNSW wants the clubs in the NSWPL to be basically representative clubs of the association they play in.
If possible they will have the association itself playing in the NSWPL. e.g. the Northern Tigers club is run by the Kuringai association and Gladesville Spirit is run by the Gladesville Association.
This way the association club form the top of the pyramid and is self sustainable.
Manly and SUtherland have loosely done this as well in their districts but it can't work in the Canterbury area.
Mrinde is correct in saying that in this case we cannot form an association with the Canterbury association and therefore must form an affiliation with the clubs within without political agendas.
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