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Post by paoktzi on Sept 14, 2010 21:21:36 GMT 10
paoktzi ksipna mate seriously What have i said that is so wrong?? that i believe the best players should play for olympic?? |
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Post by paoktzi on Sept 14, 2010 21:24:45 GMT 10
the wrong coach was appointed and therefore the club did not attract the right players and had to pay more for lesser quality players. Is it your fault that gumprecht got paid $800 and was marandos prized possesion is it thrilos fault that pat was in love with lawson? was it solz fault that the squad was unfit and the quality striker that marando had was james the kreas monie? thank god angelo petratos came in to the squad to help out Makrys brought Gumprecht and Monie. Just thought I'd let you know. Lawson was a kreas from the start but was anyone on the board knowledgeable enough to advise Pat of this? As for no Skops or Turks, I am totally against that as we had Akilli who wore our jersey proud as did Ozbey on two occasions. One of our favourite strikers was Kris Trajanovski (remember 2-2 against Syd United at Leichhardt Oval???). Have we not talked for years about how a coach should be left to make hes own decisions or do we want people running the club from the outside or from other positions within? |
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Post by phoenix on Sept 14, 2010 21:41:49 GMT 10
paoktzi ksipna mate seriously What have i said that is so wrong?? that i believe the best players should play for olympic?? Yes the best players should play for Olympic... NO MATTER WHAT THEIR BACKGROUND... |
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Post by phoenix on Sept 14, 2010 21:43:52 GMT 10
Makrys brought Gumprecht and Monie. Just thought I'd let you know. Lawson was a kreas from the start but was anyone on the board knowledgeable enough to advise Pat of this? As for no Skops or Turks, I am totally against that as we had Akilli who wore our jersey proud as did Ozbey on two occasions. One of our favourite strikers was Kris Trajanovski (remember 2-2 against Syd United at Leichhardt Oval???). Have we not talked for years about how a coach should be left to make hes own decisions or do we want people running the club from the outside or from other positions within? Well, currently, people from outside the club are running some aspects of the team, and others within are running some aspects of the team too. Now, do you want some biscuits with the coffee that you need to WAKE YOU UP !! S E R I O U S L Y paoktzi...... things at olympic these days are not what they are on face value.. T R U S T M E... |
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Post by paoktzi on Sept 14, 2010 21:44:58 GMT 10
Have we not talked for years about how a coach should be left to make hes own decisions or do we want people running the club from the outside or from other positions within? Well, currently, people from outside the club are running some aspects of the team, and others within are running some aspects of the team too. Now, do you want some biscuits with the coffee that you need to WAKE YOU UP !! S E R I O U S L Y paoktzi...... things at olympic these days are not what they are on face value.. T R U S T M E... you have started again mel gibson |
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Post by thrillos on Sept 14, 2010 21:46:25 GMT 10
Have we not talked for years about how a coach should be left to make hes own decisions or do we want people running the club from the outside or from other positions within? To a point. Someone on the board must still have some idea so the coach does not go ahead and sign any sapilla and also to determine the wages of the players signed. I'm sure if Lawson was offered the minimum $100 base then he would not have signed but when he gets 4 times that then who is to blame then??? |
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Post by paoktzi on Sept 14, 2010 21:47:55 GMT 10
Have we not talked for years about how a coach should be left to make hes own decisions or do we want people running the club from the outside or from other positions within? To a point. Someone on the board must still have some idea so the coach does not go ahead and sign any sapilla and also to determine the wages of the players signed. I'm sure if Lawson was offered the minimum $100 base then he would not have signed but when he gets 4 times that then who is to blame then??? who is to say anyone on the board in the last twenty years is more appropriate than the next person? |
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Post by thrillos on Sept 14, 2010 21:51:57 GMT 10
To a point. Someone on the board must still have some idea so the coach does not go ahead and sign any sapilla and also to determine the wages of the players signed. I'm sure if Lawson was offered the minimum $100 base then he would not have signed but when he gets 4 times that then who is to blame then??? who is to say anyone on the board in the last twenty years is more appropriate than the next person? And all boards in the last 20 years have been criticised so why is this board special and cannot be criticised?? |
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Post by paoktzi on Sept 14, 2010 21:53:53 GMT 10
who is to say anyone on the board in the last twenty years is more appropriate than the next person? And all boards in the last 20 years have been criticised so why is this board special and cannot be criticised?? i have never said that. olympic comes first but criticism needs to be justified! |
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Post by thrillos on Sept 14, 2010 22:01:41 GMT 10
So is our criticism not justified?
I'm trying to work out why your against anything negative being said about the decisions the club has made.
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Post by paoktzi on Sept 14, 2010 22:11:16 GMT 10
So is our criticism not justified? I'm trying to work out why your against anything negative being said about the decisions the club has made. I am against negative comments towards our club and when it comes from supportters and they are not constructive just damaging it doesnt make sense |
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Post by Blaze on Sept 14, 2010 22:20:00 GMT 10
Can we all agree to disagree here.
I'm sure that there has never been a season at any football club where all supporters and stakeholders have agreed. At Olympiakos some believe that Lemonis should have stayed, others say it was the best move that he left.
At the end of the day, I doubt anyone on here can be bothered to start a revolution against the Olympic board.
I can understand where Phoenix and Thrylos are coming from, and I do not agree with the way that they were treated, but Olympic lives on and there will be boards after this one. If action needs to be taken against the people involved then fair enough. But I don't think there's need to justify any actions to people on this forum or involve them in anyway.
It may be the off season, but to see this topic have more hits and replies than the other topics which are constructive really raises questions about the general attitude amongst the people posting, and I'm not the only one noticing.
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Post by thrillos on Sept 14, 2010 22:24:43 GMT 10
So is our criticism not justified? I'm trying to work out why your against anything negative being said about the decisions the club has made. I am against negative comments towards our club and when it comes from supportters and they are not constructive just damaging it doesnt make sense Ahhh so what is good for the goose is not good for the gander. btw - saying Pat Marando was a bad signing and should be sacked and that Lawson, Monie and Gumprecht should not have been signed highlighting the board's mistakes are not being negative? I recall some of the vrisies you launched last year both on the forum and behind the goals. Way nore negative that what I have ever been to the club. So for now I will just go and let my rose coloured glasses. I didn't realise this forum was for back patters only when it suits them. |
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Post by mrinde on Sept 14, 2010 22:26:55 GMT 10
Ok Boys,
I'm reading through some crap here and just want to add some direction to this thread.
1. we are split 3 ways on the issue of whether "skops and turks" should play for SOFC,
a. some saying we should field the best team regardless of ethnicity or nationality
b. some say that we should have the "best of the rest" i.e "no skops or turks" but the best of all else.
c. some say that we should actively favour payers of Greek background
I think I have summed up the arguments of this sub-topic.
2. There is conjecture as to who is running the club.
a. We take it at face value that the current board is making decisions that are best for the club
b. There is suggestion that some/all of the board and being directed by others not officially in the club or on the
board (possibly some journalist or media owner)
My comment on this is simple. All of us, in all our jobs, have mentors we turn too in decision making processes. Some are more autonomous than others, but we all default to a secure source from time to time. If there is an element that is being influenced by an outside force that is part and parcel of life and how the world works. We as supporters have the right to voice our displeasure with decisions in the appropriate manner by identifying the perceived wrong doing, defining and framing the reasons why this is the wrong decision and the proposing the appropriate and alternate course of action. Continued failure will ultimately bear to fruit at the AGM and if anyone thinks that they can do a better job or support a better alternative, organise a ticket and get in the game.
3. Tseka - The coach
There is conjecture on how he will do his job, who he will bring to the club and who will have influence over him.
As can be seen mist of us has an opinion on the players he should bring to the club and the style that he should aim for and if we all had the opportunity we would love to get into his head and organise the team the way we think is best. I trust that ultimately he will do his best to get the results because the simple equation is that no one will stand for a lack of results.
4. Are we harsh on Greek players?
this isn't a simple yes or no answer. I don't remember undue harshness being lumped on Kalantzis, Katholos and Dakos, simply because they did mostly what was expected of them. Then you look at players like Raskopoulos and Tsekenis and yes they copped their criticism, why? Because Rasko for eg was a skilful player, but he was a lazy cunt and we all wanted to see him do simply what we all knew he was capable of. Tseka, unfortunately, was a borderline player, some days he was good enough for NSL other days he wasn't, too good for State League, not quite for NSL, what do you do with a player like that? He copped it, but he also played above his capability for most of his career.
I don't think that any "Greek" player copped it any worse, simply we all wanted them to do better and wanted them to prove their ability. We could live with any other player being left out or leaving the club, but a "Greek" was always willed on, if sometimes by less than perfect means.
Mr Inde
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Post by paoktzi on Sept 14, 2010 22:30:49 GMT 10
I am against negative comments towards our club and when it comes from supportters and they are not constructive just damaging it doesnt make sense Ahhh so what is good for the goose is not good for the gander. btw - saying Pat Marando was a bad signing and should be sacked and that Lawson, Monie and Gumprecht should not have been signed highlighting the board's mistakes are not being negative? I recall some of the vrisies you launched last year both on the forum and behind the goals. Way nore negative that what I have ever been to the club. So for now I will just go and let my rose coloured glasses. I didn't realise this forum was for back patters only when it suits them. i called for marandos sacking from round 4 i dont care about pat his was a paid employee. nothing personal against the bloke but he was not the man for the job rose coloured glasses i love this line, being positive does not mean your not a realist |
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