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Post by trifili on Dec 3, 2010 13:25:43 GMT 10
I have to agree with you Mikey. Qatar won based on money, and lots of it I reckon. Even the Asian Nations Cup is being played in January because of the heat, but FIFA thinks its OK to play the World Cup in June/July in Qatar. World Cup can't be played in January due to European season. The hard the worst technical report yet still won.
Although I will have nothing to do with the Gay Leaguesince Olympic and the other NSL teams were shafted, I do not think the state of the Gay Leaguehad anything to do with it. Just as much as the 1st division in Qatar would not have played any role in Qatar winning it.
The first thing I thought when Qatar was announced this morning was the Pommy supporters trying to find alcohol and running a muck in an arab country. They will be locked up. Also the Brazilian women who wear bikini tops in the grandstands watching games. Are they going to jail them for indecent exposure? Lots to look forward to.
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Post by mikey on Dec 3, 2010 15:30:02 GMT 10
I have to agree with you Mikey. Qatar won based on money, and lots of it I reckon. Even the Asian Nations Cup is being played in January because of the heat, but FIFA thinks its OK to play the World Cup in June/July in Qatar. World Cup can't be played in January due to European season. The hard the worst technical report yet still won. Although I will have nothing to do with the Gay Leaguesince Olympic and the other NSL teams were shafted, I do not think the state of the Gay Leaguehad anything to do with it. Just as much as the 1st division in Qatar would not have played any role in Qatar winning it. The first thing I thought when Qatar was announced this morning was the Pommy supporters trying to find alcohol and running a muck in an arab country. They will be locked up. Also the Brazilian women who wear bikini tops in the grandstands watching games. Are they going to jail them for indecent exposure? Lots to look forward to. Arguably the best post I have read on this forum. Looking at both sides of the story. Thank-you. |
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Post by paoktzi on Dec 3, 2010 15:58:06 GMT 10
Why you getting happy about both sides you never look at our side?
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Post by paoktzi on Dec 3, 2010 16:41:52 GMT 10
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Post by eokaassassin on Dec 3, 2010 21:54:29 GMT 10
Why should have Australia gotten the World Cup?
It would of being ones of worst World Cups possibly ever held.
Not saying Qatar was a much better choice, I don't think it was, but Australia would of been just as bad, if not worse.
First of all, Australia has 0 soccer culture.
Mikey, have you ever been to many soccer games in this country?
All you got told at soccer games in this country, is that your banners can only be so big, you can't hold flares, can't chant things that may be deemed slightely offensive, can't yell out to the opposition players in any offensive way at all, or you'll get kicked out, can't do this, can't do that, beause they want to make it like an AFL crowd. Just sit there and clap.
My guess Mikey, is that you haven't been to many games in Australi ever?
Even when one of the guys simply told the opposition keeper he was crap, he was told by a copper, if he said that again he'd get kicked out.
Wat the hell is that?
Even at the footy 10 years ago, you could called Wayne Carey a wanka.
Also, anyone that went to the Greece vs Australia game would of remembered the rules they tried to enforce aswell, and how it nearly spoiled the occasion.
Considering this country has no soccer culture, they would of tried to enforce rules that make spectators like an AFL crowd, where u just sit there and clap, it would of been one of the least enjoyable world cups for spectators.
Therefore this country in no way deserved the World Cup.
Glad the U.S. and England didn't get it either. Couldn't have happened to 2 nicer countries (not).
Imagine in the U.S. and England, them trying to force overseas fans to go through their naked airport scanners at the airports, just because their own stupid dumbed down population have accepted to been humilated in anyway possible by big brother.
Russia was a great choice, however would rathered Japan than Qatar in 2022.
So glad Australia didn't get it though.
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Post by sweeper on Dec 3, 2010 22:16:36 GMT 10
If Australia did win the bid, the WC would have been successful because the local people alone would have filled the stadiums. I'm not too upset and would much rather see Australia do well at the World Cup than host it.
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Post by mikey on Dec 4, 2010 10:00:50 GMT 10
Why should have Australia gotten the World Cup? It would of being ones of worst World Cups possibly ever held. Not saying Qatar was a much better choice, I don't think it was, but Australia would of been just as bad, if not worse. First of all, Australia has 0 soccer culture. Mikey, have you ever been to many soccer games in this country? All you got told at soccer games in this country, is that your banners can only be so big, you can't hold flares, can't chant things that may be deemed slightely offensive, can't yell out to the opposition players in any offensive way at all, or you'll get kicked out, can't do this, can't do that, beause they want to make it like an AFL crowd. Just sit there and clap. My guess Mikey, is that you haven't been to many games in Australi ever? Even when one of the guys simply told the opposition keeper he was crap, he was told by a copper, if he said that again he'd get kicked out. Wat the hell is that? Even at the footy 10 years ago, you could called Wayne Carey a wanka. Also, anyone that went to the Greece vs Australia game would of remembered the rules they tried to enforce aswell, and how it nearly spoiled the occasion. Considering this country has no soccer culture, they would of tried to enforce rules that make spectators like an AFL crowd, where u just sit there and clap, it would of been one of the least enjoyable world cups for spectators. Therefore this country in no way deserved the World Cup. Glad the U.S. and England didn't get it either. Couldn't have happened to 2 nicer countries (not). Imagine in the U.S. and England, them trying to force overseas fans to go through their naked airport scanners at the airports, just because their own stupid dumbed down population have accepted to been humilated in anyway possible by big brother. Russia was a great choice, however would rathered Japan than Qatar in 2022. So glad Australia didn't get it though. That is the biggest load of garbage I have ever read. Not allowed to abuse? Seriously, if you are going to make up bullshit, please make it look like the truth. You aren't allowed big banners? Again rubbish. What do you call the Melbourne Heart tifo that covers around 3 bays of the Southern (or Northern) grandstand. What constitutes a "country not deserving a World Cup"? A country that has no football history, has one of the world's most uncomfortable climates, is a sixth the size of Tasmania, limited entertainment? How would it be the worst world cup in history? IMO, it would've been one of the best. A World Cup, in the only continent to have never hosted it, in the World's greatest country, with a very multicultural population, and unbelievable tourist destinations. What do you mean by 0 soccer culture? Again, a load of crap. |
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Post by anothermp on Dec 4, 2010 10:25:42 GMT 10
I havent really read up on the Qatari bid because I didnt realistically expect them to have a chance, but Ive listed a number of points that I think were real concerns for the electing officials about the FFA bid;
1. distance to the rest of the world (20+ hour flight away from most of Europe and east coast US)
2. winter during june-august (winter world cups typically are not as good for related outdoor events, ticket sales etc)
3. matches telecast at like 3am European time (theyre not used to it like we are, just how much tv revenue will be lost?)
4. rival sporting codes bitching for compensation and arguing over stadia (seriously which other bid had to put up with this short sighted shit from AFL and NRL in particular?)
5. only 12 venues some of them cricket fields (eg. honestly, ive been to a few games at the MCG for football and the atmosphere is awesome until you actually get inside and start the game, youre so far from the action for soccer)
6. transport and accommodation concerns (perth 5hrs flight from the eastern states, sydneys transport system is fucked, where will the additional workers required to host the event from from our pool of 12 million fit for work, especially now that we're planning a 'sustainable Australia' not a 'big Australia' malakes)
too many questions marks not answered by the FFA to FIFAs liking. QED no world cup
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Post by sweeper on Dec 4, 2010 12:07:38 GMT 10
anothermp, spot on. I agree, our presentation wasn't up to scratch. All the points you raised are real issues. I myself wasn't confident at all. I don't know why everybody got so excited about it.
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Post by paoktzi on Dec 4, 2010 12:19:01 GMT 10
So Frank Lowy is at fault for wasting $50million bucks
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Post by endlesspassion on Dec 4, 2010 12:31:13 GMT 10
KARMA IS A BITCH FFA...
You tried to kill the history of the beautiful game in Australia now suffer the concequences.
Not once has the FFA paid respect to the old soccer that kept the game alive for so many years...
Again KARMA haha
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Post by paoktzi on Dec 4, 2010 13:19:19 GMT 10
 A tribute to endless |
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Post by eokaassassin on Dec 4, 2010 14:06:46 GMT 10
That is the biggest load of garbage I have ever read. Not allowed to abuse? Seriously, if you are going to make up bullshit, please make it look like the truth. You aren't allowed big banners? Again rubbish. What do you call the Melbourne Heart tifo that covers around 3 bays of the Southern (or Northern) grandstand. If your going to simply go to Gay Leaguegames, or socceroo games, well than you can't comment. Gay Leaguefans or Socceroo fans obviously get it lightely. It's one rule for Australia fans, and another rule for balkan ethnic fans as we've seen in the past, whether it be at the soccer or tennis. But you obviously haven't gone to past South Melbourne games or the Greece vs Australia game, where they enforced different rules for the big bad ethnics. So why comment and pretend you know? First of all at South Melbourne games, after the Big stadiums sporting act, or whatever it's called, past through a few years ago, any South fans that abused the opposition team were oiften either threatened to get kicked out, or were kicked out, as I was there too see. (you weren't) And on one occasion, when I politely questioned the cops why is it neccessary for to kick one of the boys out for abuse, I got kicked out aswell, and had my details taken!? Or what about a few fans bringing a brazilian flag to a Victory game a few years ago, because of that Brazilian player that used to play for Victory (he set up 4 goals for Archie Thompson in the grand final... Forgot his name). taht was perfectly acceptable. Yet bring a brazil flag to a South Melbourne game, because of South player, Fernando De Moraes? You have it confiscated, as one dude did, because no ethnic flags allowed in the ethnic VPL. My point? clearly one rule for A-League/Socceroos fans, another for big bad balkan ethnics. And wat about the Greece vs Australia games? No flags allowed unless it was a Greek flag. No Byzantine, Macedonia, Cypriot flags etc. One of the Sydney Greek boys was told by the cops that if he didn't take his ''Mad Boys - Sydney'' banner down, he'd get kicked out, because in the eyes of the police, ''it could be offensive.'' wat the hell? Banners held during the match, could only be a small size (I forgot the width x length ratio it was) Bring a flare? Risk a few grand fine. (Even though it's perfectly part of soccer culture in soccer playing nations) Therefore what I am saying is not bullcrap, as I and many others have been to South games in the past, or the Greece games, where we could see how they treated Balkan ethnic fans. Mikey: I never said they deserved. I said they didn't. Mikey: I already explained, why it would be one of the worst world cups. Because it would of been one of the least enjoyable World Cup's for spectators, because they would of tried to enforce all these rules, you can't do this, can't do that, so it's similar to an AFL crowd. Australia fans would of gotten abit of leniency (only to some extent), but they would hounded many of the other fans from opposing teams, for the slightest thing. Mikey: No, it's not crap. When your've got people in the Victorian and Australian governing soccer body, who hav no idea about how soccer fans support their team around the world, and because of that, try and enforce all these restrictive rules on soccer fans in Australia, on things they can't do, when in places like Europe, certain things are perfectly normal at games, than it's fair to say the governing body and police who enforce the rules have got no idea about spectator soccer culture. And they would of spolied it for many in 2022. |
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Post by mav10 on Dec 4, 2010 17:32:17 GMT 10
LOVE IT FRANKY U COPPED IT
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Post by denpaokala on Dec 4, 2010 19:19:05 GMT 10
This article says it exactly how it is, the truth what we have all been saying for years!!!!!!! www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/soccer/cup-bid-a-world-class-scandal/story-e6frey4r-1225965329550IT IS the greatest sporting scandal in the history of this country - a folly aimed purely at the gratification of a few egos that cost Australian taxpayers $45 million. The failed World Cup soccer bid for 2022 ended exactly as many outside the sport had predicted. Australia managed to secure a single vote to be eliminated in the first round, well short of the smug predictions that had gone on for months prior to the bid. Most Australians went merrily along for the World Cup ride, convinced by those in charge that this would be of such enormous benefit to the country that anyone who dared to object was seen as un-Australian. We were told that this would be the making of the world game in the Asia Pacific region. This was the world game's time, and nobody, not even a grumpy AFL boss Andrew Demetriou, could stop the train. He, by the way, was the one who told soccer bosses to go and stick it when they told him he would have to stop his competition at finals time if the big game came to town. The Football Federation of Australia even selected hundreds of 10-year-olds in a target 22 squad, convincing their parents that these kids could be Socceroos playing in a World Cup at home. These boys were kept up by their parents to watch the bid announcement from Zurich and ended up in tears. With a World Cup in 2022, Socceroo Tim Cahill suggested that our children's futures would be secured forever more. That kind of hyperbole has masked a hundred problems within the game at grassroots level that may never be repaired as a result of this folly. While junior sporting clubs around Australia bleed for every cent of government money, Westfield boss and one of the country's richest men, FFA Chairman Frank Lowy, managed to extricate $45 million from the public purse for his grandiose vision. Lowy has essentially been running Australian soccer for many years. He convinced former Federal Sports Minister, Kate Ellis, to give him the cash which was aimed purely at gathering votes from 22 FIFA delegates. The money was spent on largesse. Not a cent of it went on the sport's development at either senior or junior level. Soccer chiefs and the sport's stars have been gallivanting from country to country for more than a year, massaging, cajoling, begging for the right to host the World Cup. In the end, it all came to nothing. A cheesy, but expensive, mini-feature film starring a cartoon kangaroo had absolutely no impact. The single vote has cost us $45 million. God knows how much it has cost the sport. Emails which have come my way from irate soccer fans accuse commentators like me of anti-soccer bias. In fact, abuse floods my way even when I dare to call it soccer. These obsessed fans believe the anti-"football" element would essentially be killed off with the glory of a World Cup in Australia. They are the ones who have been brainwashed by an organisation which cannot even run a successful national competition. The Gay Leagueis bleeding. Crowds are down, television ratings are dreadful and not a single free-to-air television executive wants to know about it. The FFA has spent most of its money on an elite and ageing group of players for more than a decade with very little international success. Our best 16 and 17-year-olds break all land speed records to move from Australia the moment they get the chance. The fact that not a cent of the $45 million was spent on a single Australian soccer player is scandalous. Every junior club in Australia could have survived and prospered for five years off the back of that sort of money. Even with a World Cup, nobody stood back for a minute to see what the downside was to hosting an event of this magnitude in Australia. One look at the legacy of the World Cup in South Africa would have told them. Images of poverty-stricken settlements alongside state of the art soccer stadiums were shameful reflections of an event that a country like South Africa could not afford. There will be tut-tutting about the bid process and its lack of transparency. The Australian delegation will blame the vote stacking antics as the reason we lost. But the truth is that the process has never been any different. It has always been on the nose. In the meantime, we will all arrive at our under-funded, bumpy sports grounds this morning as volunteers. We will referee, cut the oranges or sell the coffee. We will fork out our $100 for the season to ensure the club or school gets through another year on the smell of an oily rag. And we will all wonder what the bloody hell we could have done with even a sniff of that $45 million. |
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